A Bit More Editorial:
Shame On Me: For not making a bigger online fuss over this earlier. (i.e. Not making more folks aware of the public hearing) -- Ted Wright
|Shame On The Citizens Complaining: If you were aware the topic was to be discussed at a public hearing and did not attend.|
|Shame on City Management: For placing permanent poles at any stage of this project.|
|Note: Don't expect to discuss a topic at a city council meeting if that topic is not on the agenda.|
|Victory Cemetery is still North on 12th Street but you can't get there the way this sign indicates. -- Ted 4/1|
|In Response To The Question: Do you agree with the street being closed now, before it is absolutely necessary for construction?|
|Don't care||I am use to it being closed, so opening it for a short period of time is not something that would make a difference to me either way. -- Susie|
|No||I don't think it should be blocked off. Who knows when they're going to start this project. I hate that I have to go up a street and then back to 12th street every time I want to go to the library. Plus, it'd be nice to give access to the fire trucks and ambulance. -- Chris|
|Yes||I think it is a good idea to keep the street closed, I just wish it looked better now. -- Jeanie|
|No||I think the street should open back up to the public, until they decide to start construction -- Tim|
|Yes?||Since the street has been closed for so long, because of the restoration of the fire house into the city hall, I have been use to it. -- Daniel (see 4/17 update below)|
|No||I prefer to have the street open if you are going to the pharmacy it is much more convenient having the street open. Also when going to City Hall and if you park in front it is much easier to get in and out. -- Lisa|
|No||The answer would definately be NO !!! I do not agree with it being closed prior to constuction or for that matter ever. I am very angry at the fact that they will be closing a major city street. -- "Several 12th Street Residents"|
|No x4||[Including the 3/16 email and my editorial 3/27 + additional 3/31 -4/1 emails added below. -- Ted]|
Another Roadway Closed?
|The alley behind City Hall (between 12th & 13th St.) was one-way west for many years with the EMS barn on the north end of the block and a drive-in pay window on the west side city hall. With the new EMS location and closing of the drive up window (and my request during early city meeting discussion on 12th street closure?) the one-way signs were removed and an alternate way to get from Main Street to the other side of the 12th St. barrier was available. Recent arrows painted in the alley might lead some to believe it is no longer legal to drive east from 13th to 12th. There are not do-not-enter signs nor one-way signs but driving over an arrow the opposite direction can only lead to confusion.|
The Rest Of The Email Text
|I am use to it being
closed, so opening it for a short period of time is not something that
would make a difference to me either way.
I moved to Collinsville 9 years ago from Owasso. I have watched as this City has grown and matured, it is no longer the town north of Owasso. I will admit that I was surprised how the old Fire Station, now the new City Hall turned out, it is just beautiful. I really think the Plaza that is planned will only be a further asset to our growing community and will only add to our downtown area.
I realize keeping 12th street closed is a drastic change, its not really a hardship, just a change. I for one am excited about the Plaza, it is just one more building block for the enhancement of our Community.
Sincerely -- Susie (3/28/2006)
|No I don't think
it should be blocked off. Who knows when they're going to start this project.
I hate that I have to go up a street and then back to 12th street every
time I want to go the the library. Plus, it'd be nice to give access to
the fire trucks and ambulance. I know a few fire fighters and they aren't
too happy about that street
Is the money for this project coming from the TEA-21 or is it coming from our tax dollars? Unfortunately I
could not make the meeting either, right now the times and dates of the Commission meetings make it nearly
impossible for me to attend. I tried calling Comm. Rogers on 3 occasions (2 by phone and 1 in person) but
I keep missing him. Bad timing on my part.
This seems like a misappropriation of much-needed funds, ESPECIALLY if the funding is coming out of city accounts. What a waste! Not only does it block a much needed traffic/emergency route, but I think having one little section of a north-south street blocked is unattractive and a misuse of city property. This was
better used for access between Broadway and Main and for parking for the new City Hall and the west side of the "new" Main Street. I don't understand why we need a new City Plaza anyways. Vision 2025 is building us a beautiful modern city park. It has already built us a new City Hall and Emergency Services Building. Why not save the City Plaza money or use it to advertise for commerical/industrial growth? -- Chris (3/28/2006)
|I think it is a good idea to keep the street closed, I just wish it looked better now. I saw the city taking out bricks today, what are they doing? I think the plaza is a great idea. If they are going to keep the street closed, I wish they would come up with a better way to mark the street closed. I think the cones and Closed Sign are not attractive. It makes the whole building look like it is still under construction. -- Jeanie (3/28/2006)|
|I think the street should open back up to the public, until they decide to start construction. Myself I feel like that the money could be spent elsewhere to improve the city. We didnt have a plaza before and no one complained about wanting one. Whatever happened to the walking trail in the park, they laid gravel down and that was it, it wasnt never maintained and now it lies under a layer of grass. I say open it up and let the people vote on if a plaza should be built in that location. -- Tim (3/28/2006)|
|Since the street
has been closed for so long, because of the restoration of the fire house
into the city hall, I have been use to it. I believe that a Plaza would
be a great idea for the city, especially next to the City Hall, I have
seen several city halls that have a Plaza or park area next to them, plus
it makes the city look good I think. -- Daniel (3/29/2006)
|I would like to express my opinion on the 12th street closing. I prefer to have the street open if you are going to the pharmacy it is much more convenient having the street open. Also when going to City Hall and if you park in front it is much easier to get in and out. I have been told that the parking for paying your bills inside is very confusing. -- Lisa (3/29/2006)|
|The answer would definately be NO !!! I do not agree with it being closed prior to constuction or for that matter ever. I am very agry at the fact that they will be closing a major city street. There are plenty of other areas that would be suitable for a "plaza". They say that one person objected at the public hearing. How about puting this for a city vote. I feel they would be surprised at how many people think this is not a good idea. Knowing that though, is probably why it was just decided in the commisioner meeting and not asked for publicly. However, I think this is a waste of city and state money. Our city is usually a great place to live and needs improvement in many areas and this is not very effective and efficient way to spend our tax dollars or money. Doing the work downtown is great; fixing the buildings, sidewalks and new lights. A plaza in the middle of the street is stupid. This money could be used to help at the park if they want a place for the public to sit and enjoy, not to sit and look at traffic and a street. I'm just speaking for myself and family, but as "public" we weren't aware of any public hearing about this proposal. - From several 12th street residents (3/29/2006)|
|I just read your
post on your website regarding the closing of 12th St. While it's probably
to late to do anything now (I noticed they've cemented in permanent posts),
I just wanted to say that don't like the idea of closing the street -
plaza or no.
First, I think the plaza will be a waste of money. I will be surprised, make that shocked, if it is used nearly as much as city officials believe it will be. Our downtown does not have the foot traffic of a large city. A plaza such as the Main Mall in Tulsa makes more sense because of the amount of people walking from building to building to parking lots.
Second, it takes away parking for city hall. The elimination of the drive-thru (another move I don't understand, but that's a whole other problem) means you have to park now to go in and pay your bill, thus creating a need for more parking spaces than before. And if I have observed the situation correctly, there are fewer parking spaces now behind city hall since its completion and the completion of the new fire department.
Third, it takes away a semi-major route through town. A lot of people still turn off of old 169 on south 12th St to come into town. And shooting straight across to Broadway will no longer be an option. During my work day, I try to combine errands into one trip, meaning that I go from one location to another before returning to work. Frequently, taking 12th St from Main to Broadway is the shortest and easiest route on at least one leg of the trip.
Fourth, a closed street always seems to attract people who think they can park anywhere they want to. Case in point: Just this morning, I had business at City Hall. When I turned south onto 12th St from Broadway, I saw a pickup parked diagonally in the middle of the street right in front of the alley. The pickup was turned off and the driver was visiting with a pedestrian. I pulled in to the other lane to get around him, parked and went inside for about 15 minutes. When I came back out, he was still there. I'm sure he thought that since it was a closed street, he wouldn't be in anyone's way. But I would bet that I was not the only one that had to go around him.
That's my 2 cents. -- Bart (3/31/2006)
|Stupid idea - basically permanently closing only through road that passes through middle of town. It appears it will also handicap access to city services. Lastly the town had the work done for the city hall including parking - now the parking will be inaccessible or difficult to get to. -- C.W. (4/1/2006)|
|If there is controversy over blocking the street, it is probably because drivers in C'ville just don't like to stop. Red lights, stop signs, mean nothing to local drivers. At least here is one place that drivers won't speed through. Besides, it is an improvement. More good things have happened in Collinsville in the last four years than the previous forty years. -- No name given (4/5/2006)|
|[I want to take exception to the notion in the 4/5 email above that Collinsville is somehow a safer place with access to a stop light removed. Driving between work & my home I would pass thru the intersection of 12th & Main (if I could) a minimum of 14 times a week (7 days x2 ... yes, I work Sat & Sunday) and often many times more than that each week. The high school is usually my 2nd most traveled to location each week. I am an alley dweller as I don't park in front of my business, so as I pulled out of the alley onto 12th Street I used to have a choice of going to Main with a stop light and a safe right turn to head west. Now my only choice is a left turn onto Broadway with no stop sign for east-west traffic. Also, my alternate route to/from home with 12th & Main blocked is often 13th & Main ... try pulling across Main there when the Baptist Church is in session or a funeral is being held.] -- Ted Wright 4/5/2006|
|I am firmly opposed to blocking off 12th street! It is a main passage out of town. If there is so much money floating around why don't they fixed the rest of the streets in this town? The roads here are a notch above gravel roads. Why would anyone want to invest in a home or business in a town that does not maintain it's streets? Another question is who is going to frequent this plaza? No one sits on main street now, except for the gentlemen in front of the gun/butcher shop. So who is this plaza for? Is there a petition that can be signed to see how the people of Collinsville feel about this? -- Andrea (A Voter) 4/13/2006|
|I wanted to add a comment, if it isn't too late about the 12th Street Closure issue. I have lived in Collinsville all my life. Although I no longer live actually in the city limits, I do still reside in Collinsville. I have an autistic son, who; as those of you that are aware of autistic symtoms, screams everytime we come into town to go to grandma's house now because of the closure of the street. We have always traveled the same route, which included going through main street. And I also have family members that live on the north side of 12th Street that do not like having to go around to get home. Hey, it may not be too far but...GAS IS TOO EXPENSIVE!!!!!!!!! Botttom line, I think it looks tacky. I love this town, it has a magnet that just keeps pulling you in. But what kinds of people are we letting run our city, that can't even figure out that you don't put permanent "stakes" in the middle of one of the most major intersections in the city?!-- S.J. (4/26/2006)|
[I'll keep adding comments for awhile longer ... if you wish to weigh in on this subject] -- Ted 4/17