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City Gas Franchise Debate
July 21, 2005 (page 2)
Town Hall Meeting Topics Table
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Issue / Question
Comment
1) What is the value of the gas franchise? The City has an undisclosed appraisal value in hand. ONG says their appraisal value will be released before the Aug. 9th vote. A 3rd (independent) appraisal will likely be requested. The cost (per the existing franchise agreement) is apparently only for the depreciated hard assests (pipes and meters) and not for any goodwill or projected profits, which would normally accompany a business buyout.
2) What oversight will citizens have to control city gas fees? ONG fees are controlled by the Oklahoma Corporation Commission which Collinsville voter have a small percentage of votes to elect. Having all other ONG communities with same fees likely negates that small percentage disadvantage. Collinsville fees would be set by the Collinsville City Commission which Collinsville voters have 100% of votes to elect.

3) Without raising fees higher than they would have been under ONG, can the City do all of the following?

  • pay off the purchase debt
  • reinvest in maintaining & expanding the system
  • provide a level of service and safety equivalent to ONG's
  • pay the salary of additional experienced gas employees
  • purchase additional equipment required to maintain a gas system
  • have "profit" left over to help fund other services which are under funded at present (due to low sales tax revenues and other factors)

Mayor Sallee says yes, based on the numbers he and the commission have seen from their "experts". Several others at the July 21st Town Hall meeting remain skeptical pending a look at those numbers. I might add here also that there was a mixture of folks ranging from satisfied with both their existing City utility service and ONG service to those not happy with either one.

Mayor Sallee gave an estimate of $75,000 to purchase the required additional equipment. He gave Mannford as an example of a city running their gas system with 2 to 3 people.

When asked if Collinsville's gas system was a "cash cow" for ONG?, ONG officials replied "no". They cited the $61/customer net yearly profit in that context.

Another item I didn't add to the list on the left is some form of helping the school & library systems adjust for the potential reduction in ad valorum taxes. I suspect that can't be a direct dollar amount as it will likely be more in the form of mutual cooperation on joint projects and potential gain from growth or increased services.

Can the city provide a level of service and safety equivalent to ONG's? I don't think I'm going out on the limb at all by answering this one with an obvious yes (although anything I say someone will disagree with). The real question is above in the cost of providing that same level of service and safety. Some at the meeting were concerned that the two-day training session for 2 city employees was deemed adequate. The Mayor stated that was just an initial step and that more training and hiring of experienced people would follow if the voters approve the franchise purchase. I don't think it was mentioned at the town hall meet, but I recall from the School Board discussion, Mayor Sallee mentioning a potentially "long transition period" with ONG to ensure the city was ready before ONG stepped out.
Are all Oklahoma city owned gas utilities profitable? No. David Chester (of Collinsville and an ONG employee) cited Chelsea as continuing to increase their debt with a fairly new system. The Mayor cited Drumright as an example of a city that has just upgraded their entire system and they are still making money. Drumright was cited by an unidentified contractor at Thursday's meeting as being unable to to pay his bid price to repair a leak "so they just left it unfixed".
7/26/05 Note: Ed Tinker (Drumright City Manager) says the claim above (about not having money to fix or not fixing a leak) "is an absolute lie" and he challenged that contractor to produce any documentation to claim otherwise. Ed says he has reserves for repairs but they have not been needed. -- Ted Wright
Sperry was cited as a city "with system problems". Granite, one of the cities Collinsville has received positive information on, was cited by ONG's Jim Stout as having been built by the city in the 1930s and having no debt service. Mannford is one of the other cities Collinsville has used as a positive example. Jim Whitlock was Mannford City Manager before coming to Collinsville in January 2005, and helped plant the seed of Collinsville running their own gas utility (according to Mayor Sallee) before his untimely death in March 2005. Jim Stout mentioned that ONG has been asked, in the past, by the Corporation Commission to take over gas utitities that were "in trouble".
... others too numerous to mention (for free) ...
Vote
Aug. 9th

ONG officials stated they paid franchise fees in the range of $24-$25,000 last year and paid sales tax to the City in the range of $30-$35,000.
The existing city billing system is already programmed to handle gas billing according to Mayor Sallee. He indicated the gas bill would be kept on a separate bill from other city utilities.
I've tried to keep this reasonably balanced ... but just by my selection of what I said or didn't say, I know some will be disappointed. Hopefully more information will be available at the next meeting (July 28th) -- Ted Wright -- 6:40pm Friday 7/22/2005